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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #75 on: April 03, 2013, 01:51:36 AM »
looks like a lot of fun to play and a bit annoying to play against.

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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2013, 10:24:57 AM »
Shouldn't the Woodsmen also get no movement penalty while moving through forests?  Ya know, with them being WOODSMEN and all that...
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #77 on: April 03, 2013, 11:11:21 AM »
I guess I could do that.  I figured that they were normal humans living amongst the FEY.  They have adapted some of their tricks(i.e. Displacement), but not all of them.  I will think on that one after the price costs come in.
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #78 on: April 03, 2013, 11:22:45 AM »
Ignoring one type of terrain costs somewhere between virtually nothing and absolutely nothing.  So decide based on flavor.
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #79 on: April 03, 2013, 12:15:23 PM »
Ignoring one type of terrain costs somewhere between virtually nothing and absolutely nothing.  So decide based on flavor.

I find that quite shocking.
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #80 on: April 03, 2013, 02:11:33 PM »
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Ignoring one type of terrain costs somewhere between virtually nothing and absolutely nothing.  So decide based on flavor.

I find that quite shocking.

Nevertheless, those are the facts.  "Faction abilities" (e.g. Hawkshold Bravery) are generally free, and for example, Ravenwood units' unhindered-by-forests attribute is considered part of their faction ability and costs precisely 0.

OK to elaborate whether they're "free" or not sort of depends on how you measure it.  Units without faction abilities get a modest discount,  so I guess you could say that faction abilties cost something.  But all faction ability packages are considered equivalent to each other and built into unit prices.  In other words, the Hawkshold get Bravery, Orcs get Lash, Umenzi get Faith Armor, Dwarves Get (Rune of Uruz + not hindered by hills + Sprint), High Elves gets (Precision + Maneuver Mastery + Sprint), Carthage gets (Determination + ability to buy Foresight), Ravenwood gets (Spirit Guidance + unhindered by Forest) etc.  And these packages, whether they consist of one or more than one item, all are considered equivalently priced.

That said, good faction design involves giving a faction 1 ability if it's solid, and more than one if the one ability is a little bit weak.  If I judged a faction's primary ability to be top-tier, I could declare that a terrain ability was an add-on and not part of a faction ability.  There's precedent for this:  wheeled units suck on certain types of terrain, and wheeled gives a modest discount.  So I could see flipping that discount around to a equal-sized surcharge, but suffice it to say that that it's very small.  Remember, many games/gamegroups don't have terrain at all.
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #81 on: April 03, 2013, 02:59:22 PM »
As always, thanks for the insight Kev!

Say there Brook, what are the engaged attack stats for the Gnome Illusionists?
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #82 on: April 03, 2013, 03:00:42 PM »
Remember, many games/gamegroups don't have terrain at all.

I pity them.  Games without terrain are dull, dull, dull.
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #83 on: April 03, 2013, 03:16:04 PM »
As always, thanks for the insight Kev!

Say there Brook, what are the engaged attack stats for the Gnome Illusionists?

The same as the ranged attack. 
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #84 on: April 03, 2013, 03:27:31 PM »
I'm thinking that is going to make the unit brutally difficult to cost properly.
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #85 on: April 03, 2013, 06:24:16 PM »
I'm thinking that is going to make the unit brutally difficult to cost properly.

and your point is???????
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Re: Gnomes of Jade Forest
« Reply #86 on: April 03, 2013, 07:55:56 PM »
The Illusionist is basically a Umenzi High Priest on steroids.  Like the High Priest, it's a good thing that it's Elite, but using the High Priest as a baseline we should be able to come reasonably close.
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